Qualcomm Announces Snapdragon 780G: New 5nm 765 Successor
by Andrei Frumusanu on March 25, 2021 10:00 AM EST- Posted in
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Today Qualcomm is announcing the successor to last year’s quite successful Snapdragon 765 line-up, a “premium” tier that the company had debuted, featuring the same higher-end features as on the flagship Snapdragon 800 series, albeit at lower performances.
The new Snapdragon 780G follows up on its predecessor with some large upgrades in terms of performance and multimedia capabilities, doubling up the number of large cores – increasing GPU performance by significant amounts, and featuring the new more performant fused AI engine with the new Hexagon 770 DSP. Furthermore, camera capture abilities have also seen great improvements with the new Spectra 570 triple-ISP.
Qualcomm Snapdragon Premium SoCs | ||||
SoC | Snapdragon 765 Snapdragon 765G |
Snapdragon 768G |
Snapdragon 780G |
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CPU | 1x Cortex-A76 @ 2.3GHz (non-G) @ 2.4GHz (765G) 1x Cortex-A76 @ 2.2GHz 6x Cortex-A55 @ 1.8GHz |
1x Cortex-A76 @ 2.8GHz 1x Cortex-A76 @ 2.4GHz 6x Cortex-A55 @ 1.8GHz |
1x Cortex-A78 @ 2.4GHz 3x Cortex-A78 @ 2.2GHz 4x Cortex-A55 @ 1.9GHz |
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GPU | Adreno 620 |
Adreno 620 +15% perf over 765G |
Adreno 642 +50% perf over 768G |
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DSP / NPU | Hexagon 696 HVX + Tensor 5.4TOPS AI (Total CPU+GPU+HVX+Tensor) |
Hexagon 770 Scalar+Tensor+Vector 12TOPs AI (Total CPU+GPU+DSP) |
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Memory Controller |
2x 16-bit CH @ 2133MHz LPDDR4X / 17.0GB/s |
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ISP/Camera | Dual 14-bit Spectra 355 ISP 1x 192MP or 1x 36MP ZSL or 2x 22MP with ZSL |
Triple 14-bit Spectra 570 ISP 1x 192MP or 1x 84MP ZSL or 2x 64+20MP ZSL or 3x 25MP ZSL |
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Encode/ Decode |
2160p30, 1080p120 H.264 & H.265 10-bit HDR pipelines |
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Integrated Modem | Snapdragon X52 Integrated (LTE Category 24/22) DL = 1200 Mbps 4x20MHz CA, 256-QAM UL = 210 Mbps 2x20MHz CA, 256-QAM (5G NR Sub-6 4x4 100MHz + mmWave 2x2 400MHz) DL = 3700 Mbps UL = 1600 Mbps |
Snapdragon X53 Integrated (LTE Category 24/22) DL = 1200 Mbps 4x20MHz CA, 256-QAM UL = 210 Mbps 2x20MHz CA, 256-QAM (5G NR Sub-6 4x4 100MHz) DL = 3300 Mbps UL = ? Mbps |
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Mfc. Process | Samsung 7nm (7LPP) |
Samsung 5nm (5LPE) |
At heart, the new Snapdragon 780G is a very different SoC to its predecessor as it changes up the CPU configuration quite substantially. We’re moving from a 1+1+6 config, to a newer 1+3+4 setup, including a prime Cortex-A78 core at 2.4GHz, three Cortex-A78 cores at 2.2GHz, and four Cortex-A55 cores at 1.9GHz. Qualcomm promises CPU uplifts of up to 40% - the doubling of the large cores as well as the new microarchitecture employed should indeed offer a good boost in everyday user experience.
On the GPU side, we’re seeing the use of a new Adreno 642. As usual Qualcomm doesn’t disclose much details on the design here, but they disclose a generational performance uplift of up to +50% over the Snapdragon 768G, meaning over the 765G that should grow to +72%. Based on our past benchmarks, this should end up with similar performance as the Adreno 640 of the Snapdragon 855 flagship from a few years ago – meaning the GPU is seemingly aptly named in terms of its performance.
Qualcomm is employing its newest fused scalar+tensor+vector DSP and AI engine in the new Snapdragon 780G, meaning it should be equal in terms of its architectural design as the new unit on the Snapdragon 888, albeit at lower performance levels. Qualcomm advertises 12TOPs of AI performance across all the IP blocks of the SoC, which is over 2x over that of the predecessor.
In terms of DRAM, the SoC remains a 2x16b LPDDR4X-2133 design, which seems to be crucial for cost reduction in this market segment.
A very large upgrade in capabilities is found on the part of the camera ISPs. Again, much like the DSP, the new design follows up with the similar new IP architecture as employed in the Snapdragon 888, employing a new triple Spectra 570 block that is capable of operating three RGB camera sensors concurrently. 192MP captures are possible for single modules (with shutter lag), or in terms of zero shutter lag operation we can see either 1x 84MP, 64+20MP or 3x 25MP sensor configurations. In terms of video encoding, we don’t see mention of much changes compared to the predecessor so we assume that video capture abilities remain the same.
What’s very interesting of the new design and probably telling of the wider market at large, is the fact that the new part no longer advertises mmWave capability on the part of its modem. The new X53 modem has seemingly chopped off this feature from its spec sheet. Generally, mmWave remains an extremely niche feature that’s currently only widely deployed in select US cities globally. Given that the SoCs target devices at lower price points, and we’ve seen some extremely cheap Snapdragon 765 phones in the past year, mmWave capabilities were probably contradictory to the market segment these phones were targeting – vendors always have the possibility to use higher-end solutions such as the Snapdragon 870 if they want to include mmWave connectivity.
Finally, the new SoC is manufactured on Samsung’s 5LPE process node, which is an upgrade over the 7LPP node of last year’s Snapdragon 765. While the node doesn’t seem to be as promising when compared to TSMC’s 5nm node, it being employed in a SoC in this price category is definitely a positive and should show notable gains against its predecessor.
Qualcomm plans to bundle the Snapdragon 780G SoC with the FastConnect 6900 Wi-Fi chips which feature Wi-Fi 6E connectivity, hopefully signalling a wider spread of adopting of the new 6GHz spectrum technology.
The Snapdragon 780G is expected to see deployment in commercial devices in the second quarter of 2021.
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AntonErtl - Friday, March 26, 2021 - link
A look at geizhals.at (a price comparison and product search website) reveals the following numbers of models:14 nm: 702 Comet Lake H, 553 Comet Lake U
10nm: 507 Ice Lake U, 20 Ice Lake Y, 9 Tiger Lake H35, 490 Tiger Lake UP3, 9 Tiger Lake UP4
Of course, this does not tell us how many CPUs are sold, but there are certainly current laptops that contain 14nm Intel CPUs (and for the "H"eavier laptops, I guess it's the vast majority).
TheinsanegamerN - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
"all current laptop chips"Swing and a miss ther bud, all current comet lake CPUs are 14nm, and those make up a majority of currently available intel laptop CPUs. Only the tiger lake models are 10nm.
Drumsticks - Monday, March 29, 2021 - link
I know dunking on Intel is still the thing, but claiming that 10nm doesn't exist because 14nm is still sold is about as dumb as it gets. Would you say the same about TSMC 5nm because the vast majority of their non-apple products on the market today are still 7nm? Hell, they're probably still selling their 14-16nm class products.Sure, Intel sells a bunch of 14nm products still, but it's silly to pretend 10nm isn't readily available just by searching "11th gen Dell" on Best Buy.
yeeeeman - Thursday, March 25, 2021 - link
samsung 5nm is similar to tsmc 7nm which in turn is better than intel 10nm. 7nm tsmc ain't a whole lot better than 10nm intel, from what we can see from 1165g7 vs 4700u so I guess samsung 5nm is more of a marketing value, cause it ain't that much better than the broken 10nm from intelweilin - Thursday, March 25, 2021 - link
Intel 10nm is designed to compete with TSMC 7nmIntel 7nm is designed to compete with TSMC 5nm
The process names (and numbers) don't line up across companies. You're comparing current generation fabs (Samsung/TSMC) with Intel's last generation fab. As for Intel's 7nm...
TSMC 5nm > Samsung 5nm > Intel 10nm
doomcrazy - Thursday, March 25, 2021 - link
Any information on Bluetooth capabilities? I would assume this supports BT 5.2?J0S3R - Thursday, March 25, 2021 - link
This SoC has zero Bluetooth capabilities, just like it has zero WiFi capabilities. Like the WiFi, BT is handled by separate silicon. The article suggests it will be paired with the FastConnect 6900 which does support BT 5.2.https://www.qualcomm.com/products/fastconnect-6900
WPX00 - Thursday, March 25, 2021 - link
Seems weird they wouldn't include mmWave. The 480 has it which is a budget chip, and the 765 had some decent success in the US last year with the OnePlus Nord, LG Velvet, TCL 10 among others.Wardrive86 - Thursday, March 25, 2021 - link
Very nice upgrade! Wish they would ditch that dual channel memory controller. That will definately hold that GPU back and it will not get SD855 levels of graphics performance imoiphonebestgamephone - Saturday, March 27, 2021 - link
Yeah, but i wonder how they managed to get 72% over the 765g. That would put it near the adreno 640 in the 855. Maybe some benchmark thats low on bandwidth requirement.