Huawei Mate 10 and Mate 10 Pro Launch: Live Blog (2pm CEST, 8am ET, Noon UTC)
by Ian Cutress on October 16, 2017 6:01 AM ESTOur Mate 10 and Mate 10 Pro initial analysis can be found here:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/11935/huawei-mate-10-pro-hands-on-with-kirin-970
07:12AM EDT - Huawei is having a launch event for its new Mate 10 and Mate 10 Pro smartphones. The key headline for these devices is going to be the support for AI - the new Huawei Kirin 970 chipset has new AI features powered by some new IP. We got a glimpse into the hardware back at IFA, but we're expecting more details today. CEO of Huawei's Consumer Business Group, Richard Yu, is expected to take the stage.
07:12AM EDT - My neighbor for today is the CEO of Huawei CBG, Richard Yu
07:16AM EDT - We're seated pretty early
07:16AM EDT - Around 1000 press and customers are coming to this event
07:17AM EDT - As it's not at a show (like IFA), there was a mini rush for the door when it opened, but the hall is still filling up
07:18AM EDT - Today we're getting the Mate 10 and the Mate 10 Pro smartphones being announced
07:18AM EDT - Using Huawei's new Kirin 970, with added AI focused hardware
07:18AM EDT - We covered the Kirin 970 launch back at IFA, and went into some detail
07:18AM EDT - https://www.anandtech.com/show/11815/huawei-mate-10-and-mate-10-pro-launch-on-october-16th-more-kirin-970-details
07:18AM EDT - Some more detail is coming out today
07:19AM EDT - The press event starts at 2pm local, should finish around 3pm. All embargoes on information and prebriefing will happen at 3pm as well
07:23AM EDT - Richard Yu on one side, @alexdobie from Android Central on the other
07:23AM EDT - Regarding the Kirin Neural Processing Unit, the NPU
07:24AM EDT - At IFA, Huawei stated a capability of 1.92 TFLOPs of FP16. This is about 2x what Apple can provide with its Neural Engine
07:24AM EDT - I'm still unclear about what that extra performance will get me in terms of AI
07:25AM EDT - It depends on the app, of course, but we don't have any good examples of AI-accelerated apps yet
07:25AM EDT - It will take a while before we will, as well. It's a very big hammer, and everything will look like a nail to begin with
07:39AM EDT - 20 minutes to go
07:43AM EDT - It's getting warm with all the bodies here. Mobile connectivity isn't happening, as we're underground. But the Wi-Fi is stable so far
07:45AM EDT - There's an event cameraman with a large camera walking back and forth. He's going to get in the way at some point, I feel it
07:51AM EDT - 10 minute notification
07:51AM EDT - 10 minute notification
07:56AM EDT - I wonder how many press try to stream during the event
07:59AM EDT - 1 minute to go
08:00AM EDT - Here we go
08:01AM EDT - Richard Yu to the stage
08:02AM EDT - Last year was the Mate 9, this year Mate 10
08:02AM EDT - Last 10 years, record growth in smartphones
08:03AM EDT - People are spending less time watchi the TV, less time on the PC: now using the smartphone
08:05AM EDT - People are spending less time watchi the TV, less time on the PC: now using the smartphone
08:05AM EDT - People spending above 6-7-8 hours on a smartphone per day
08:05AM EDT - Need better performance and better battery life
08:06AM EDT - Last month we launched the first smartphone chipset with AI inside
08:06AM EDT - People are eager to use our platform on the flagship phone
08:06AM EDT - Announcing the Mate 10 and Mate 10 Pro
08:06AM EDT - Design, Performance
08:06AM EDT - Huawei Mate series, every generation the performance gets better
08:06AM EDT - Camera also gets better
08:07AM EDT - Mate 10 and Mate 10 Pro, FullView Display
08:07AM EDT - 'Almost borderless'
08:07AM EDT - Mate 10 Pro: 6-inch 2160x1080 , NTSC 112%
08:08AM EDT - Doesn't say how many nits, I think 730 ?
08:08AM EDT - 6 inch screen in the body of a 5.5-inch device
08:08AM EDT - Mate 10 has 2560x1440 RGBW display. That's more than the Pro, but the Pro is OLED
08:09AM EDT - 730 nits there
08:09AM EDT - Designed for text reading and web browsing
08:10AM EDT - With RGBW display, uses a lot lower power with a white background
08:10AM EDT - Backlight power saving up to 14%
08:10AM EDT - (Photos are slow to upload, sorry about the lag)
08:11AM EDT - Mate 10 has same screen as Mate 9, but smartphone is much more compact
08:11AM EDT - 6.4mm shorter, 1.1mm less width
08:12AM EDT - 9532mm2 of screen on Mate 10, 9317 mm2 of screen on Mate 10 Pro
08:12AM EDT - Compared to 8047 mm2 on iPhone X
08:12AM EDT - 'No round corners on display'
08:12AM EDT - More comfortable to most users
08:13AM EDT - No notch, no corner, no display errors
08:13AM EDT - higher screen to body ratio
08:13AM EDT - 4000 mAh
08:14AM EDT - slimmer than Note 8, but 20% larger battery
08:15AM EDT - Narrow bezel with fingerprint sensor
08:15AM EDT - iPhone 8 Plus requires 18.4mm, Mate 10 only needs 10.6 mm
08:15AM EDT - 'world's first 4.5 G smartphone'
08:16AM EDT - One tap unlock with Huawei is 0.33s in one step. iPhone takes 3 steps
08:17AM EDT - Natural fingerprint position for the Mate 10 Pro
08:17AM EDT - Supports HDR10
08:17AM EDT - New signature Huawei stripe
08:18AM EDT - Summilux-H 1/1.6 cameras
08:18AM EDT - Our design DNA
08:18AM EDT - Symmetrical design
08:19AM EDT - No notch on the display
08:19AM EDT - Mix of metal and 3D glass
08:20AM EDT - Curved on the back, 'a perfect fit for holding'
08:20AM EDT - Multi-Layer glass
08:20AM EDT - Mate 10 Pro is IP67 rated
08:21AM EDT - Huawei Mate 10 is IP53 rated
08:21AM EDT - 'We actually do better than IP53'
08:21AM EDT - First color for Mate 10 Pro is Titanium Grey
08:21AM EDT - Mate 10 Pro: Mocha Brown
08:21AM EDT - Mate 10 Pro: Midnight Blue
08:22AM EDT - Mate 10 Pro: Pink Gold
08:22AM EDT - Mate 10: Champagne Gold
08:23AM EDT - Mate 10: Black
08:23AM EDT - Mate 10: Pink Gold
08:23AM EDT - Four colors each
08:24AM EDT - Mate 10 also Mocha Brown
08:24AM EDT - Now onto 'Ultimate Luxury'
08:24AM EDT - last year partnered with Porsche Design
08:24AM EDT - We sold all our Porsche Design Mate 9 phones, 10x our expectations
08:24AM EDT - CEO of Porsche Design onto stage: Dr Jan Becker
08:25AM EDT - Coming to the market before the end of the year
08:25AM EDT - It was the starting point of a very successful cooperation
08:26AM EDT - Reached six figures of sales in one year
08:26AM EDT - completely sold out Mate 9
08:26AM EDT - Common goal bringing design and performance together
08:26AM EDT - meeting high demands of customers
08:26AM EDT - unique design language
08:27AM EDT - (still waiting for photos to upload, sorry)
08:27AM EDT - addresses priority and performance
08:27AM EDT - signature Diamond Black design
08:27AM EDT - Special Porsche Design interface
08:27AM EDT - Equipped 256 GB of storage
08:27AM EDT - Precision and speed of a Porsche 911
08:28AM EDT - We are certain this device will be better than our predecessor
08:28AM EDT - committed and delighted to the collaboration
08:28AM EDT - plan to keep surprising customers in the future
08:28AM EDT - Richard back to the stage
08:29AM EDT - Inspired by speed
08:29AM EDT - 'Automotive Surfacing'
08:29AM EDT - Ceramic-look
08:30AM EDT - Includes two fast chargers, two leather cases, and earpieces
08:30AM EDT - Video time
08:32AM EDT - Now for performance
08:32AM EDT - 'Advanced computing power, fastest connectivity, fastest charging'
08:33AM EDT - Huawei AI Engine = Kirin 970 + EMUI 8.0
08:33AM EDT - 10nm process
08:33AM EDT - 5.5 billion transistors
08:33AM EDT - Mali G72
08:34AM EDT - Neural Processing Unit (NPU)
08:34AM EDT - AI performance: performance 25x better than CPU, efficiency 50x better than CPU
08:34AM EDT - 20x faster than the competition
08:35AM EDT - 100 photos: iPhone 8 Plus takes 9 seconds, Mate 10 Pro takes 5 seconds, Note 8 takes 100 seconds
08:35AM EDT - video
08:35AM EDT - said hexagon DSP
08:35AM EDT - Need to check this video later
08:36AM EDT - 2000 images per minute
08:37AM EDT - 18 month stay fast
08:37AM EDT - Application response time increase 10% over 18 months - Galaxy S7 goes up 195%
08:38AM EDT - Next level of AI interactivity
08:38AM EDT - Now discussing Stay Fast
08:39AM EDT - Replicates real world
08:39AM EDT - > My main issue with this 'technology' is that Huawei has offered very little aside from the surface explanation. I want to do a deep dive with them about this feature
08:40AM EDT - Mate 10 Pro supports 4x4 MIMO, 4CC CA (FDDx3, TDDx2) and 256-QAM
08:40AM EDT - First one for 1.2 Gbps
08:41AM EDT - Dual 4G Dual VoLTE
08:41AM EDT - Huawei GEO Enhanced GPS
08:41AM EDT - Multisensor navigation
08:41AM EDT - Inertia tracking and offline data - barometric and altitude date
08:42AM EDT - data*
08:42AM EDT - Accurate GPS in tunnels, multi-path roundabouts, double decker roads
08:43AM EDT - Mate 10 has 30% better battery life over Mate 9
08:44AM EDT - 1 day heavy user, 2 days normal user
08:44AM EDT - Intelligent power management
08:44AM EDT - (and probably better A73/A53 RTLs, being second generation A73/A53)
08:45AM EDT - Now slamming on wireless charging
08:45AM EDT - TUV Certified battery
08:46AM EDT - 600 battery cycles, 1000 system cycles
08:46AM EDT - -33 to +55 C tested temperatures
08:46AM EDT - Batteries tested up to 130C
08:47AM EDT - Drop tests performed so battery is undamaged after each drop
08:47AM EDT - Mate 10 and Mate 10 Pro are the first safe fastcharge devices certified by TUV Rheinland
08:47AM EDT - Now Intelligent Photography
08:48AM EDT - Using AI Engine for intelligence
08:48AM EDT - 12MP RGB + 20MP Monochrome, both f/1.6
08:48AM EDT - 4-in-1 focus
08:48AM EDT - OIS
08:48AM EDT - Hybrid Zoom
08:50AM EDT - Photo demo now
08:50AM EDT - Dual ISPs
08:51AM EDT - faster response, faster focus, motion shooting, low light photography
08:52AM EDT - 'Making Artistic Photography Intelligent'
08:52AM EDT - AI network has already been trained over 100 million images for real-time object recognition
08:54AM EDT - Now a live demo
08:55AM EDT - The camera detects that its a food, or a plant, and adjusting appropriately
08:56AM EDT - No need to set up a shot - can get an instant picture
08:56AM EDT - > The point is that the phone is picking one of the presets, not doing anything more complicated
08:56AM EDT - > Maybe as a feature, that is all that is needed
08:56AM EDT - AI Selphie mode
08:56AM EDT - AI Zoom that makes zoomed text easier to read
08:57AM EDT - Now for Intelligent Experience
08:57AM EDT - EMUI 8.0 with Android 8.0
08:58AM EDT - Dynamic wallpaper based on time
08:58AM EDT - FullView HD Display UI Optimization
08:59AM EDT - Multi-column display in 18:9 (Mate 10 Pro)
08:59AM EDT - Supports split screen mode
09:00AM EDT - One-Step Shortcut supported
09:00AM EDT - Supports Mobile Device Management
09:02AM EDT - Lossless audio, supports 384kHz / 32-bit audio
09:02AM EDT - > Supporting that much is a bit over the top
09:02AM EDT - Huawei Easy Talk
09:03AM EDT - AI identifies voice and intelligent background noise reduction
09:03AM EDT - PC Mode
09:03AM EDT - Doesn't need a dock, just a Type-C
09:04AM EDT - (You really need a dock to use it as a PC)
09:04AM EDT - Switch to PC Mode, loads in a few seconds
09:05AM EDT - Multi-task, file system
09:05AM EDT - use both screens independently
09:06AM EDT - Copy content from apps on phone, paste into apps on desktop
09:06AM EDT - Uses the touchpad to do a presentation from the phone
09:06AM EDT - calls and texts stay on the phone, not onto desktop mode
09:07AM EDT - Use the phone as a phone while a video is running on the desktop mode
09:07AM EDT - Only need a Mate 10 and a video cable
09:08AM EDT - video time
09:09AM EDT - Our news is now up: https://www.anandtech.com/show/11935/huawei-mate-10-pro-hands-on-with-kirin-970
09:10AM EDT - Also Image translation with Microsoft
09:10AM EDT - > That was quickly bypassed...
09:10AM EDT - VP of Android and Google Play to the stage, Jamie Rosenberg
09:11AM EDT - One of the first flagships with Android Oreo
09:11AM EDT - Listing Android 8 features
09:12AM EDT - Mate 10 involves AI technology investment
09:12AM EDT - Computing is undergoing a shift from mobile first to AI first
09:12AM EDT - Devices will be able to see, hear and speak in ways that haven't been possible before
09:12AM EDT - The NPU can complex AI tasks on the device
09:12AM EDT - The Mate 10 will include Android's Neural Network API
09:13AM EDT - Giving developers access to AI hardware
09:13AM EDT - Android NN APIs will be in an update early next year
09:13AM EDT - Supports Android Connect
09:14AM EDT - Allows personal data to be separated from business data
09:14AM EDT - IT devices and be provisioned over the air
09:15AM EDT - Now back to Richard
09:15AM EDT - Building an open AI ecosystem
09:16AM EDT - 'Infinite Innovations with Open AI Ecosystem'
09:16AM EDT - Need developers to develop AI apps
09:17AM EDT - Now going through the accessories - leather covers, power bank, supercharge car charger
09:18AM EDT - hi-resolution digital headphones
09:18AM EDT - Huawei's own 360 camera - EnVizion 360
09:19AM EDT - > Final product video, then I assume pricing
09:20AM EDT - > With the AI-accelerated scene recognition, Huawei could market this as a pet and food smartphone
09:20AM EDT - > Insert more cats please
09:21AM EDT - Mate 10 with 4GB/64GB is 699 Euro from November
09:21AM EDT - Mate 10 Pro - 6 GB/128GB from 799 Euro, Nov 2017
09:21AM EDT - Mate 10 Porsche Design, 6GB / 256 GB, 1395 Euro from Nov 2017
09:22AM EDT - That's a wrap. Time to pick up a sample. Our initial analysis can be found at https://www.anandtech.com/show/11935/huawei-mate-10-pro-hands-on-with-kirin-970
09:22AM EDT - .
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linuxgeex - Monday, October 16, 2017 - link
might have to root to get access to 'route' command.jjj - Monday, October 16, 2017 - link
The Mate line used to have a large display, now they'll be moving it to a mainstream size and that ruins it. Even worse, there is nothing out there with a large 18:9 display and they would have had a monopoly.The Mate 9 is 78.9 mm wide, they should have kept it as wide.Potato Cat - Monday, October 16, 2017 - link
i would prefer huawei to keep the width but increase the screen size (which will decrease the top and bottom bezels)jjj - Monday, October 16, 2017 - link
That's what i was saying.That Mate 10 5.9 inch display if turned into 18:9 would be about 6.46 inch
Or if you look at display width for Mate 10 vs 10 Pro, you got about 73.22mm vs 68,25mm and that's a pity.
jjj - Monday, October 16, 2017 - link
RGBW = pentile and that should be illegalnarmermenes - Monday, October 16, 2017 - link
Nice phones, but I still can't understand how smartphones replace desktop/laptops for some people.Still, price is far too high for me to buy one out of my own pocket. Maybe my company will pay for one so I can dev AI apps.
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https://tweakboxapp.info/Mark Stenphensons - Tuesday, November 7, 2017 - link
Will these Huawei phones support emulators? According to https://playstationguide.co all the Android phones running on up to Nougat will support the tweaking apps like emulators. But the latest Huawei Mates will get an update of Android Oreo. Now the question is whether these phones will support the apps or not. I am confused.